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« on: November 04, 2009, 03:13:35 PM »

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"Je pense donc je suis."
"Cogito ergo sum"
"I think therefore I am."

- Rene Descartes.

Descartes originally wrote that statement in Discourse on Method. From what I understand, he doubted all knowledge he had previously acquired (due to a new scientific revolution based on the heliocentric theory.) but he realized that there had to be a doubter, and "I think therefore I am." Or, "I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am."

However, how do I know that I did not make up this story? How do I know that I am actually sitting in a chair, typing these words. How do I know that anything else exists?All I know is that I think. I assume that this world I see is real.

I assume that because that is what I think. But this doesn't make it real. Not by "scientific standards." It only makes it real to me. If I am hallucinating, my hallucinations are real to me, but they are in fact, not real. (Assuming the ultimate assumption.)

Everyday, we assume the ultimate assumption. But is that assumption true? I do not know of a way to prove that you are real. That my body, or even my brain is real. I can't prove that anything is real. All I know is that I think, and therefore I am.

What am I? I don't know.

Why do I think of this world; why do I think of this realm of existence? Oh can I be interacting at school here, while a bomb goes of somewhere else? How can I be in this realm of existence, in the first person, while everyone and everything is off doing something unknown to me; yet, known.

How powerful am I? Am I powerful enough to create this world, and live it in the first person?

Why do I assume the ultimate assumption? Because I think, and I am, and I think I am. Does this mean that this world is me? That my thoughts are me, and that I am everyone and everything; yet, nothing at the same time, just a thinking machine...
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2009, 04:12:48 PM »



i've wondered about this myself, which has contributed to a lack of sleep on more than one occasion.  however, this post has got me considering something:
if we all - or at if least most of us, or even just many of us - wonder this, then how likely is the possibility that it is just one person?
we could perhaps be someone's imagination, but it seems a nearly impossible thing to prove because we'd first have to discern whose mind we're a product of.

so how would we go about that?  any suggestions?  (=



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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 04:19:56 PM »



i've wondered about this myself, which has contributed to a lack of sleep on more than one occasion.  however, this post has got me considering something:
if we all - or at if least most of us, or even just many of us - wonder this, then how likely is the possibility that it is just one person?
we could perhaps be someone's imagination, but it seems a nearly impossible thing to prove because we'd first have to discern whose mind we're a product of.

so how would we go about that?  any suggestions?  (=





How do you know that you aren't just thinking that I typed this up. That you are actually experiencing the same thoughts, in different ways?
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2009, 04:29:39 PM »


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How do you know that you aren't just thinking that I typed this up. That you are actually experiencing the same thoughts, in different ways?


because then i'd have to at least partially agree with every sentiment on earth (as there is always someone to support it), and i can't imagine ever agreeing with republicans or the westboro baptists.
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