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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2009, 09:57:59 AM »


First question, correct assumptions, wrong final question. You can get to know God all you want, but that doesn't mean that you can know what he is thinking.

Second question, sort of. Although your second question is redundant, I will answer anyways. People who are considered "mind-readers" in the telepathic sense are essentially laughed at. Do I have any proof of them actually being able to read peoples mind? No, I don't have proof that says that they can't either, but I am extremely skeptical.

You should be equally skeptical when you hear people claim that they can read God's mind, interpret his thoughts, or tell you that God had spoken to them.

I'll admit that we can't KNOW what he is thinking; we are mere mortals who don't have mind-reading capacity. However, just as an old couple can "read each other's thoughts" and finish each other's sentences, the more we get to know God, the more we can guess what he means or is thinking.
And thanks for the reminder to be skeptical; even scripture invites us to be discerning and test for ourselves if the voices we hear (whether hearing God ourselves or hearing what others claim he says) are really of God (I John 4:1-6). However, being skeptical does not mean throwing out all possibility of guessing what God's thoughts are.
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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2009, 10:09:24 AM »

You are correct, as you "grow closer to Him", you can guess what he is thinking. Fine, guess all you want, but don't force your guess upon anyone, and don't tell people that you know what he is thinking. Remember, it is just a guess. Not even a hypothesis, just a guess.
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« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2009, 01:07:10 PM »

You are correct, as you "grow closer to Him", you can guess what he is thinking. Fine, guess all you want, but don't force your guess upon anyone, and don't tell people that you know what he is thinking. Remember, it is just a guess. Not even a hypothesis, just a guess.
An educated guess is better than a random guess, especially when you have a relationship with the person you're guessing about. Yes, you do have the possibility of being wrong, but the probability of being wrong is not that great.

And don't we interpret other people's thoughts all the time when we make judgments about them? Say my friend was offended by something you said, but knowing that you are forthright about your opinions I tell her you probably didn't mean it to be offensive. I am guessing your thoughts (with an educated guess) in order to mend a relationship. What is wrong with that, as long as I include the word "probably" in my guess to qualify it as such?
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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2009, 03:47:19 PM »

And don't we interpret other people's thoughts all the time when we make judgments about them? Say my friend was offended by something you said, but knowing that you are forthright about your opinions I tell her you probably didn't mean it to be offensive. I am guessing your thoughts (with an educated guess) in order to mend a relationship. What is wrong with that, as long as I include the word "probably" in my guess to qualify it as such?

I notice something among Christians. Christians like to simplify what they say with analogies. What I'm saying, is that the analogies themselves are simplified.

Take for example, a popular Christian argument against evolution. (I will be paraphrasing.) "A bridge is a complex structure, and when you look at a bridge you know it has a maker and a purpose. We are complex structures, therefore we have a maker and a purpose."

There are of course, many flaws with this argument, as I am sure that even you, Melidere, can see. However, this post is not about that argument; that argument was listed to show you common simplification of things with analogies.

You're analogy about a friend compared to God and understanding him, are not equal in any shape, way, or form. 'Reading' the thoughts of someone you know is one thing, 'reading' the thoughts of someone that you think you know is another, especially when the consequences of the latter are much more catastrophic than the former.

Just because God is real in your head, doesn't mean he is real. Just because you think you know what he wishes, doesn't give you the right to act upon those wishes, especially when those wishes harm other people, which they often do.

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Yes, you do have the possibility of being wrong, but the probability of being wrong is not that great.

What is the chance of being wrong based off of? That is an empty statement, it could be considered a lie actually.
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